My name is Sonia Simmenauer-Pazzini and I’m a woman, a mother and grandmother, a concert agent and salonière, among other things. I followed the development of the ZERHEILT project with Frédéric Brenner very closely and learned a lot from his quest and his lens, for which I am very grateful.
My name is Karl-Josef Pazzini and every now and then, when the analysands cooperate, I’m a psychoanalyst.
Where did the idea for your portrait’s staging and setting come from?
Karl-Josef Pazzini: The idea gradually developed for Frédéric Brenner as he walked through the apartment. Maybe the balcony was the extent of it.
How do you experience Jewish life in Berlin?
Karl-Josef Pazzini: Reading, in conversations, when I walk down the street, sometimes without noticing, probably even unconsciously.
Describe your life in Berlin in three adjectives.
Karl-Josef Pazzini: That’s an overwhelming prospect.
What would your wish be for the future of Jewish life in Berlin?
Karl-Josef Pazzini: I’d like to see more of Yeshayahu Leibowitz’s attitude among all Berliners:
“Y.L.: Of course, but I do believe that the Messiah will come. –
M.S.: And what is the Messiah’s role, in your opinion? –
Y.L.: I don’t know the answer to that, and I also have no way of finding out anything about it. ... The profound meaning of the messianic idea is that the coming of the Messiah will forever be a coming in the future tense. Any Messiah who comes in the present is a false Messiah.”
(Leibowitz & Shashar, 1994, p. 154)
Jewish Museum Berlin (2021), Sonia Simmenauer-Pazzini and Karl-Josef Pazzini. Interview and Photo from the Frédéric Brenner – ZERHEILT: HEALED TO PIECES Exhibition Opening.